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Accusation of hacking/cheating

PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:18 am
by Jediluke
Ok, so someone on the ladder has recently voiced (on multiple occasions) their beliefs that I am hacking. I decided to ask this individual about this today because it seemed like they might not be joking and might actually think something is going on.

I didn't approach this angrily nor was I really offended. I know that I play clean, dirty mouth perhaps, but clean in the game. I want all things to be fair. I want no BS getting in the way of 2 opponents other than who out performs who. I don't want wireless....I don't want lag....I don't want hacking...no BS.

So I asked myself....what would have triggered this guy to think this? What event or events? What is happening that is making him question my legitimacy?

So...his theory was... "your homers seemingly do more damage than other's homers"

My response was "They can't 'seemingly' do more damage...they either do or they don't and that is easily provable via demos etc"

His response was... "I want all your EXE files"

I said, "Ok, sure let me upload them" (of course that would prove nothing...IF I were hacking I just would 't upload that particular EXE...duh!"

He was like... "never mind"

Yeah...never mind how many LANs I've been to. Never mind how many DEMOs of me there are (a lot!) Never mind that at the Denver LAN I didn't even use my own computer and won the tourney against one of the greatest pilots all time. I've had this person and others come to LANs at my house...If I was doing something shady like special homers...surely I'd have been caught by now.

So I wonder to myself....how could this happen? How could someone really think this despite the amount of evidence out there and easily viewable first hand.

Bottom line is....I know I'm not cheating....but I also think that this person really believes there is something different happening with my homers.

In fact, I know that another pilot has said to me in game that my homers are much better than his and that his homers are lazy by comparison. I don't think that the pilot that told me this multiple times in game was accusing me of any wrong doing but it's another example of someone feeling like my homers are different.

My usual smart ass response to that comment is to simply say that I *aim* my homers!

But....I've noticed several times that there seems to be an inconsistency with how homers track me. Sometimes the homers do stuff I feel they should not be capable of doing....turning sharp corners and nailing me...and other times they are easy to dodge. I am sure that I am not alone with this assessment. Now, I am definitely vocal most times when a homer does something I think it shouldn't be able to do but I'm not terribly bothered by it because I believe that my homers are doing the same thing to my opponent...thus it's fair. Perhaps a bit random...but we are both dealing with it.

So...not being a coder myself...and not understanding low level math...much less the math involved with coding homers...I would personally like to see this looked at more closely by the likes of Drakona and Roncli and whomever else is qualified.

I certainly want my homers looked at closely to see if they are behaving as the code expects. I want to know definitively if my homers are exactly like everyone else's. If they aren't I want to know how/why...but I suspect they are the same as everyone else's.

In addition to that...I would like to see an open discussion about how/why homers seem to be evil one moment and docile the next. Addressing the inconsistencies I think that we must have all experienced/felt.

Re: Accusation of hacking/cheating

PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:11 pm
by LotharBot

Re: Accusation of hacking/cheating

PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:17 pm
by Jediluke
Then what about the time when a pilot was shooting fusion that did a different level of damage?

Re: Accusation of hacking/cheating

PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:19 pm
by LotharBot
That was the opposite -- a pilot receiving reduced fusion damage because he had a different version of the game data files (IIRC one of the overseas versions). So his fusion did normal damage to others, but fusion shot at him did reduced damage. As above, your computer controls the damage you take.

Re: Accusation of hacking/cheating

PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:25 pm
by Jediluke
I c, ok.

Re: Accusation of hacking/cheating

PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:26 pm
by Jediluke
So if my homers are more evil than others it's because other ppl are cheating?

Re: Accusation of hacking/cheating

PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:33 pm
by LotharBot

Re: Accusation of hacking/cheating

PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:50 pm
by Jediluke
that's irony

Re: Accusation of hacking/cheating

PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:20 pm
by roncli

Re: Accusation of hacking/cheating

PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:47 pm
by Jediluke
Ok, so during a discussion with Drakona today in relation to homers and them being sometimes evil and sometimes not...she said that is a true thing and here is why...

If I explain this wrong Drak, please correct me.

When Player A fires a homer the homer will fly straight for a random amount of time (between 0ms to 150ms) before it begins tracking the opponent. Each time a homer is fired the code is randomly determining how long that homer will fly straight before homing on player B.

HOWEVER....on player B's screen it recognizes a homer was fired and randomly assigns a tracking response time between 0-150ms as these random ms differences are not synced.

So, player A could fire a homer which decides to lock on player B within 5ms (from player A's perspective) however that same homer chose not to lock on player B until 130 ms later! (from player B's perspective)